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And these ones are far away. [Feb. 10th, 2012|10:23 am]
Richard Clegg
Did I see Ardal O'Hanlon at the theatre last night? I guess that would have to be a matter for the philosophers(*). Certainly I went to see Port Auhority and Southwark Playhouse. Certainly I chose to buy the tickets in part because of his presence. The play itself is an interesting enough affair albeit slightly unconventional. Three disparate Irish characters (one young, one middle aged and one elderly) give interspersed monologues at best tangentially connected about their lives and lost loves. For me the middle-aged guy's story (of being whisked from a mundane life into a cocaine and rock-stars lifestyle) was the funniest and some lines were delivered with that beautiful deadpan pathos that works so well in a Dublin accent.

However, as I'd forgotten Ardal O'Hanlon was in the play, I did not immediately connect him with the middle-aged bearded man speaking. Well, when I say immediately, I mean "until I happened to be browsing the leaflet for the play this morning". This provoked a little mental pause. In my mind, he's still fresh-faced father Dougal and that was nearly fifteen years ago now. Even now, I can't really connect the performance I saw with the person I thought I was meant to have seen. Mentally, I'm trying to slip it sideways and say "maybe he was the younger one" or "maybe he wasn't there that night".

Did I see Ardal O'Hanlon in a play? In a philosophical sense I honestly can't be sure although it seems certain I have seen a play and he was in that play.

Edit: It has been pointed out in email by D. Muir that I missed a golden opportunity to say "That... would be a philosophical matter."
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[User Picture]From: steer
2012-02-11 01:36 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand the distinction you make in the first sentence. Are you talking about the difference between the expected qualia the actually generated qualia?

This is why we need a qualified philosopher present I think. To take a simpler example, would we say that someone had really seen the colour green if they had provably never experienced the qualia green.

If my subjective experience was not that of seeing Ardal O'Hanlon (except in retrospect) then have I actually seen him given that I have not had the experience of seeing him (that is, at the time my experience I would have confidently asserted was not that of seeing him)? I accept subjective experiences can be in some sense "wrong" but is the claim to have seen someone in a play a claim about a physical thing which happened or about the emotions and sensations experienced.
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